***BOGO*** Re: Back/forward buttons

["Moz Champion (Dan)" <moz.champion@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

????? wrote:
> On Jul 3, 1:59 am, "?????" <ver...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On Jul 2, 2:08 pm, "Terry R." <Terry.F1...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> The date and time was 7/2/2008 10:21 AM, and on a whim, ????? pounded
>>> out on the keyboard:
>>>> On Jul 2, 3:35 am, "Moz Champion (Dan)" <moz.champ...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> ????? wrote:
>>>>>>>> Themes DO provide separate buttons. For example, I am
>>>>>>>> using the Azerty III theme which has a seperate foward
>>>>>>>> and back button
>>>>>> How curious! I just installed Azerty III (and disabled NoUn Button
>>>>>> extension just to have a clean system) and I get a unified button. I
>>>>>> cannot drag the back button away from the forward button in
>>>>>> "customize" mode. Is this a bug on my system only? Can you really move
>>>>>> the back button to e.g. navigation toolbar and the forward button to
>>>>>> the menu toolbar on your install?
>>>>> It would be appreciatted if you added a name, even a nom-de-plume or
>>>>> screen-name instead of ????. I find it difficult to write addressed to
>>>>> nothing.
>>>>> In any case, no. I cannot drag the buttons seperately, they come as a
>>>>> set it seems. They appear to be seperate, but are not
>>>> So you agree then. All suggestions made in this thread have been a
>>>> useless waste of my time. BTW, I understand people here are not paid
>>>> for support and I appreciate the effort. What pisses me off is that
>>>> the support here is just like calling a call center at a bog corp. The
>>>> folks assume you have a simple problem and will keep running through a
>>>> script never bothering to address a complicated issue. I said I was
>>>> willing to hack Firefox C code. You can sort of assume I am a power
>>>> user with a non-trivial issue.
>>>> In any case, I think I have a solution but the solution I found (NoUn
>>>> Buttons extension) only works with the default theme. Since this is a
>>>> serious and fundamental usability and accessibility issue, I have
>>>> filed a bug (#443218) with Mozilla to have a more general fix. If I
>>>> have time I may try to help them fix it.
>>> One thing you have to realize, since FF3 just came out, most users were
>>> used to the way it was in FF2 (separate buttons).  Had I not tried to
>>> customize when I first installed FF3, I would not have noticed either
>>> that they were now linked together.
>>> It was a learning experience for many of the regular posters here.  They
>>> now know that FF3 is different than FF2.  Because it was "a useless
>>> waste of 'your' time" is unfortunate.  But to have this pissy attitude
>>> of yours is uncalled for.  Most of the people that responded to you have
>>> been in these groups since they originated.  And they offer good
>>> support.  You stroll in here and call their help useless, ESPECIALLY
>>> when it involves a brand new release.  You need to apologize to them and
>>>   get over this "greater than thou" issue.
>>> follow up set to mozilla.general
>>> The reason for the follow-up is this discussion has nothing to do with
>>> the Subject and any off topic discussion is to be taken there.
>>> --
>>> Terry R.
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>> I have two observations from this whole thread.
>> 1. The fact that someone is using a racial slur in a support forum is
>> a disgrace to the whole Mozilla organization. I am white btw, so it
>> did not hurt my feelings directly but I am sure it was intended to.
>>
>> 2. As I was thinking about this I realized that this insistence on
>> bottom posting and a knack for redirecting discussion into another
>> newsgroup revealed a fundamental methodology problem. I am using
>> google news to read news so I see the entire posting tree. I assume
>> others do as well. So when the third person for the third time makes a
>> suggestion that themes solve the problem despite it being shown wrong
>> twice before, then I have to assume malicious intent to waste my time.
>> But it is possible that the person simply did not read the entire
>> posting tree and only responded to my immediate comment. I, the
>> original poster, of course follow all discussions including ones
>> redirected to other newsgroups but those responding may not and this
>> MUST change because you cannot help someone with a serious issue
>> without immersing yourself in it and being up on all the discussions.
>>
>> So now I have three suggestions:
>> 1. Use software which gives you all comments from any branch of the
>> discussion. Make it a habit to read all comments before replying to a
>> specific one.
>>
>> 2. Do not redirect to other newsgroups because this makes following
>> those offshoot discussions harder.
>>
>> 3. Avoid using slurs and offensive language.
>>
>> P.S. I am a scientist and I have done a bit of support in a scientific
>> computing newsgroup. I practiced what I preach and I firmly believe
>> that is the only way.
> 
> Sorry, I meany google groups. It has been a long day.


Excuse me, but where do you see a racial slur in this thread?

I have reviewed every post in this thread and I fail to see anything 
that could be interpreted as a racial slur. So if you insist on claiming 
such, please enlighten me as to what it is.

There are no less than 33 messages in this thread alone. And it is only 
one of no less than 20 ongoing threads in the firefox newsgroup. And 
that is only 1 of no less than 35 newsgroups I read. That makes for 
approx 500 messages (in the one group) or over a 1000 for my everyday 
reading. Do you really expect people to have the time to re-read each 
and every one? You are familiar with your problem, no doubt, but others 
are not.

You see maliciousness where there is none. But only people attempting to 
help by suggesting what worked for them in the past, based on the 
information presented in the current message.

If you have the time to immerse yourself in each and every thread, in 
even this one newsgroup (firefox) then you are a lucky individual. 
Expecting others to do so on your behalf is simply arrogance.

Discussions are redirected to mozilla.general when they become OFF topic 
for the newsgroup they are in.  Essentially, this discusssion is OFF 
topic for the firefox newsgrooup, as it deals with posting policies and 
personal posting actions more than technical questions regarding 
Firefox. It is considered right and proper to move such to a newsgroup 
where they can be carried on, without disturbing the technical nature of 
the original newsgroup.

Again, what slurs or offensive language are you referring to?

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