***BOGO*** Re: [Mingw-users] ALSA / libasound

[Keith Marshall <keithmarshall@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Monday 06 October 2008 19:34:55 John Emmas wrote:
> >> Brian - that's a very clear distinction which I found hugely
> >> helpful.
> >
> > Even though it's a load of old codswallop?
>
> LOL - a bit harsh, maybe...

Maybe, but I tire of refuting the false claim that MSYS is only for 
building MinGW apps.  In fact, of the five or six machines I have 
MSYS installed on at work, only one also has MinGW, (and I don't 
often use it).  On the others, I use it primarily with CVS and GNU 
troff, (groff), to maintain project documentation, or to manage code 
for a proprietary, (non-C), system; on one I even use it, along with 
Gordon Chaffee's port of `expect', to automate running a particularly 
irritating legacy MS-DOS application, (also proprietary), which runs 
for about 20 mins, and insists on pausing at intervals to prompt for 
user input, where 999 times out of 1000 I want it to simply run with 
its default responses, but it gives me no mechanism to tell it that 
up front.

> :-)   My main source of confusion was 
> over the level of POSIX support provided by the 2 different
> approaches.  Wikipedia seemed to suggest that there's no POSIX
> support at all in MinGW whereas the MinGW home page says that POSIX
> support is provided by MSYS.  To be fair to Brian, I thought he
> explained very well that neither MinGW nor MSYS extend that support
> to user-compiled apps.

He did, and I did agree that he got that bit right; it was his other 
statements, that I took issue with.

> IMHO, this needs to be clarified in the 
> Wikipedia article which (at present) is inaccurate and confusing.

Well, as I understand it, you have as much right as anyone else, to 
rectify that.

> And for my own personal preference, I think it would be better to
> clarify any inaccuracies in the Wikipedia entry, rather than just
> direct people to the MinGW home page.

Why on earth would you expect a Wikipedia article, over which we have 
no direct control, and for which we take no responsibility, to offer 
more authoritative information than *our* *own* web site?  If it's 
pie in the sky you want, dream on...

It simply isn't going to happen, if you expect anyone but yourself to 
take on the responsibility.  Most people will more likely seek such 
information on our web site, than rely on non-authoritative sources.

Regards,
Keith.

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