***BOGO*** Re: [Mingw-msys] Install msys then mingw, or vice versa?

[Bruce Sherwood <Bruce_Sherwood@xxxxxxxx>]

Thanks much. I can offer insight into some of the problems that 
frustrated me. Improvements can't be made solely by improving 
instructions in the wiki (but thanks for doing some of that, as you 
comment in a following note).

1) I expected to find installation instructions in the 
download/installation section of mingw.org. But there is no link there 
to the minGWiki! And I had no reason to go to the MinGWiki in the left 
column, precisely because I was trying to find installation instructions.

2) The layout of file releases at sourceforge has columns "Package", 
"Release", "Date", "Notes/Monitor", "Downloads". This may be (partially) 
brain-dead, but it didn't occur to me to click in the left column 
because I was looking for recent releases. So specifically for MSYS, all 
I could see as being available was a "Technology Preview". The wiki 
instructions could alert the reader to this possible mechanism for not 
finding the MSYS installer.

3) Something you can't do anything about, but exacerbated by there being 
no link to installation instructions in the install section of 
mingw.org, is the fact that in my floundering around in Googleland I saw 
different statements about the order in which one should install MinGW 
and MSYS.

A general comment: It seems to be traditional, and I guess it must work 
for the experts, not to provide simple lists of what is in a package. 
For example, if I get the dev package, do I also need the runtime 
package, or is it included? (I've seen both.) The MinGW binary installer 
for Windows is very good in this respect, assuming that the list to 
choose from during installation is in fact complete.

Bruce Sherwood

Keith Marshall wrote:
> On Thursday 31 January 2008 20:05, Bruce Sherwood wrote:
>> I realize my questions must sound hopelessly naive, but I have been
>> able to use msys and mingw productively on Windows; it is the
>> installation that is difficult, and the installation instructions
>> aren't adequate...
> 
> Well, the installation instructions are on the MinGWiki:
> http://www.mingw.org/MinGWiki/index.php/GettingStarted
> 
> They seem fairly comprehensive to me, but sometimes what seems obvious 
> to us `old hands' isn't so obvious to the newcomer.  If you think they 
> are inadequate, then please do contribute by improving them.
> 
> Regards,
> Keith.
> 
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